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You Are Not So Smart

You Are Not So Smart is a show about psychology that celebrates science and self delusion. In each episode, we explore what we've learned so far about reasoning, biases, judgments, and decision-making.

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285 - What Do You Mean? - Celeste Kidd (rebroadcast)

Is a hotdog a sandwich?

Well, that depends on your definition of a sandwich (and a hotdog), and according to the most recent research in cognitive science, the odds that your concept of a sandwich is the same as another person's concept are shockingly low.

In this episode we explore how understanding why that question became a world-spanning argument in the mid 2010s helps us understand some of the world-spanning arguments vexing us today. 

Our guest is psychologist Celeste Kidd who studies how we acquire and conceptualize information, form beliefs around those concepts, and, in general, make sense of the torrent of information blasting our brains each and every second. Her most recent paper examines how conceptual misalignment can lead to semantic disagreements, which can lead us to talk past each other (and get into arguments about things like whether hotdogs are sandwiches).

Previous Episodes 

Why can?t we settle the ?is a hot dog a sandwich?? debate?

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Newsletter

Celeste Kidd?s Website

Celeste Kidd?s Twitter

Latent Diversity in Human Concepts

2024-04-14
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284 - Awe - Dacher Keltner (rebroadcast)

In this episode we sit down with psychologist Dacher Keltner, one of the world?s leading experts on the science of emotion, the man Pixar hired to help them write Inside Out. In his new book ? Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life ? he outlines his years of work in this field, the health benefits of awe, the evolutionary origins and likely functions, and how to better pursue more awe and wonder in your own life.

Dacher Kelter: https://psychology.berkeley.edu/people/dacher-keltnerGreater Good: https://twitter.com/GreaterGoodSCHow Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog
2024-03-31
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283 - Cultures of Growth - Mary C. Murphy

In this episode we welcome psychologist Mary C. Murphy, author of Cultures of Growth, who tells us how to create institutions, businesses, and other groups of humans that can better support collaboration, innovation, performance, and wellbeing. We also learn how, even if you know all about the growth mindset, the latest research suggests you not may not be creating a culture of growth despite what feels like your best efforts to do so. 

Mary Murphy?s Website

Cultures of Growth

Carol Dweck at Google

Paper: A Culture of Genius

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2024-03-18
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282 - They Thought We Were Ridiculous - Andy Luttrell

In 1974, two psychologists, Daniel Kahneman and Amos Tversky, as the New Yorker once put it, "changed the way we think about the way we think." The prevailing wisdom, before their landmark research went viral (in the way things went viral in the 1970s), was that human beings were, for the most part, rational optimizers always making the kinds of judgments and decisions that best maximized the potential of the outcomes under their control. This was especially true in economics at the time. The story of how they generated a paradigm shift so powerful that it reached far outside economics and psychology to change the way all of us see ourselves is a fascinating tale, one that required the invention of something this episode is all about: The Psychology of Single Questions.

They Thought We Were Ridiculous

Opinion Science

Behavioral Grooves

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2024-03-04
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281 - More Chat, Less Bot - Jeremy Utley, Kian Gohar, Henrik Werdelin

Jeremy Utley, Kian Gohar, and Henrik Werdelin sit down to discuss the surprising results of a new study into what happens when groups of people work together to brainstorm solutions to problems with the help of ChatGPT. Based on their research, Utley and Gohar created a new paradigm for getting the most out of AI-assisted ideation which they call FIXIT.

FIXIT

Beyond the Prompt

D-School

Jeremy Utley's Website

Kian Gohar's Website

Henrik Werdelin's Website

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2024-02-19
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280 - Supercommunicators - Charles Duhigg

Our guest in this episode is Charles Duhigg, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and writer for the New Yorker Magazine who is also the New York Times Bestselling author of The Power of Habit and Smarter Faster Better. His new book is Supercommunicators, a practical and approachable guide to what makes great conversations work. In the episode we discuss the science behind what it takes to form a connection with another human being through dialogue, how to generate or nurture a bond, and how to form, repair, and maintain a conversational pipeline through listening and communicating that guarantees reciprocation and understanding.

Charles DuHigg's Website

Charles DuHigg's Twitter

Supercommunicators

The Artemis Mission

The Goddard Spaceflight Center

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2024-02-05
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YANSS 279 - Pluralistic Ignorance (rebroadcast)

There are several ways to define pluralistic ignorance, and that?s because it?s kind of a brain twister when you try to put it into words. On certain issues, most people people believe that most people believe what, in truth, few people believe. Or put another way, it is the erroneous belief that the majority is acting in a way that matches its internal philosophies, and that you are one of a small number of people who feel differently, when in reality the majority agrees with you on the inside but is afraid to admit it outright or imply such through its behavior. Everyone in a group, at the same time, gets stuck following a norm that no one wants to follow, because everyone is carrying a shared, false belief about everyone else?s unshared true beliefs.

Deborah Prentice?s Website

Robb Willer?s Website

Robb Willer?s Twitter

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

2024-01-20
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278 - An Admirable Point - Florence Hazrat

On this episode we learn about the history of the exclamation point, the question mark, and the semicolon (among many other aspects of language) with Florence Hazrat, a scholar of punctuation, who, to my great surprise, informed me that while a lot of language is the result of a slow evolution, a gradual ever-changing process, punctuation in the English language is often an exception to this ? for instance, a single person invented the semicolon; they woke up and the semicolon didn?t exist, and then went to bed that night, and it did!

Florence Hazrat's Website

An Admirable Point

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

2024-01-07
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277 - Visual Thinking - Temple Grandin (rebroadcast)

Temple Grandin didn?t develop speech until much later than most children, and she might have led a much different life if it hadn?t been for people who worked very hard to open up a space for her to thrive. In this episode we discuss all that as well as her latest book, Visual Thinking, about three distinct ways that human brains create human minds to make sense of the world outside of their skulls.

Temple Grandin

Visual Thinking

Temple Grandin?s Twitter

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblogShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com
2023-12-25
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276 - How to Stand up to a Bully - Andrea Chalupa

In this episode David McRaney is interviewed by Andrea Chalupa about the psychological research covered in How Minds Change that could help if you expect to spend time with a family member this holiday who can't wait to pull you into an argument about politics, a wedge issue, or something else buzzing in the zeitgeist over which they'd love to start a fight. But, also, this is good stuff to know before ANY contentious conversation you might have in the future with someone who is quick to aggression and ready to get angry over how your opinion isn't their opinion.

 

? Gaslit Nation

? Transcript

? Andrea Chalupa?s Twitter

? Sarah Kendzior?s Twitter

? The Critical Thinking Alliance

? The Conspiracy Test

? Newsletter

? How Minds Change

? David McRaney?s Twitter

? YANSS Twitter

2023-12-18
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275 - Blight - Emily Monosson

How likely is the fungal infection in The Last of Us? The one that takes over human brains and brings humanity to the brink of extinction, could something like that really happen?

In this episode we sit down with Emily Monosson, an expert on deadly fungal infections, and discuss the handful of fungi (we know of) that are today, right now, causing catastrophic declines in wildlife, eradicating trees, destroying crops, and increasingly impacting humans.

Monsoon explains that many in the field worry that fungi are an underestimated threat and that our actions are causing an increase in invasive and deadly fungal epidemics. We explore what is at stake, why this is happening now, and what we can do to prevent future outbreaks.

? Emily Monosson's Website

? Blight: Fungi and the Coming Pandemic

? 2013 Trailer for The Last of Us

? Newsletter

? How Minds Change

? David McRaney?s Twitter

? YANSS Twitter

? Show Notes

2023-12-11
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274 - Cascades - Greg Satell

In this episode we sit down with Greg Satell, a communication expert whose book, Cascades, details how rapid, widespread change can sweep across groups of people big and small, and how understanding the psychological mechanisms at play in such moments can help anyone looking to create change in a family, institution, or even nation, prepare for the inevitable resistance they will face.

? Special Offer From Greg Satell

? Greg Satell's Website

? Greg Satell's Blog

? Greg Satell's Twitter

? Newsletter

? How Minds Change

? David McRaney?s Twitter

? YANSS Twitter

? Show Notes

2023-11-27
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273 - The Conspiracy Test - Jesse Richardson

In this episode Jesse Richardson tells us all about ConspiracyTest.org, a new project designed to be a weird, fun, and cleverly educational way to explore just how skeptical you are (and could be) about a variety of conspiracy theories. The whole thing is designed to be very sharable and very viral, and it's launching right before Thanksgiving 2023 so that you can share it with your conspiracy-theory-entertaining friends and family over the holidays, in person or over social media (but you should definitely try it out on yourself first).

? Newsletter

? School of Thought

? The Conspiracy Test

? Metaconspiracy

? How Minds Change

? David McRaney?s Twitter

? YANSS Twitter

? Jesse Richardson's Website

? Jesse Richardson's Twitter

? Your Bias Is

? Your Fallacy Is

? Free Learning List

? The Rules of Civil Conversation

? Show Notes

(thanks for listening, share with abandon)

2023-11-12
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272 - Quit! - Annie Duke (rebroadcast)

I recently sat down for a live event and Q&A with the great Annie Duke to discuss her new book, Quit: The power of knowing when to walk away. This episode is the audio from that event. Quit is all about how to develop a very particular skill: how to train your brain to make it easier to know which goals and plans are worth sticking to and which are not. 

In Quit, Duke teaches you how to get good at quitting. Drawing on stories from elite athletes like Mount Everest climbers, founders of leading companies like Stewart Butterfield, the CEO of Slack, and top entertainers like Dave Chappelle, Duke explains why quitting is integral to success, as well as strategies for determining when to hold em, and when to fold em, that will save you time, energy, and money.


? Connections

? Newsletter

? Annie Duke's Twitter

? Annie Duke?s Website

? School of Thought

? The Conspiracy Test

? The Alliance for Decision Education

? The Decision Education Podcast

? Show Notes

2023-10-29
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271 - Survival of the Richest - Douglas Rushkoff (rebroadcast)

In this episode we sit down with Douglas Rushkoff, a media scholar, journalist, and professor of digital economics who has a new fire in his belly when it comes to the world of billionaire preppers, which comes across in his new book Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires ? inspired by his invitation to consult a group of the world?s richest people on how to spend their money now to survive an apocalypse they fear is coming within their lifetimes.

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Douglas Rushkoff's Website

2023-10-15
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270 - Defining Genius

In this show you'll hear the first episode of a documentary series I made for Himalaya, an audio service devoted to inspirational and educational content that asked me if I had any ideas for a book that I had yet to pursue, and sure enough, I did. The series is all about the difficulty of defining the word "genius," and out of that launching point it goes deep into the science of human potential and the history of the both the word and all the ideas we have attempted to understand and express when using it.

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Exploring Genius Audio Documentary

2023-10-01
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269 - Deconstructing How Minds Change - Michael Taft

In celebration of How Minds Change, my new book, turning one-year-old, in this episode Michael Taft interviews David McRaney about how minds do and do not change, the process behind writing a book about that, and what he has learned since writing and promoting it.

Michael is a meditation teacher, bestselling author, and  a mindfulness coach ? and he specializes in secular, science-based mindfulness training. If you are interested in a science-based, secular book about meditation and and mindfulness, I highly recommend his book,The Mindful Geek, snd I recommend guided meditation with him. He offers that at The Alembic in Berkeley. You can join them virtually, over the internet. Links below.

I also recommend his podcast, Deconstructing Yourself. It is all about entheogens and neurofeedback and brain hacking. If you are a Carl Sagan loving, science endorsing, evidence based sort of person ? a nerd, geek, or skeptic or humanist who wants to know more about meditation and deep dive into what we do and do not know about it ? that's what his podcast is about. Sam Harris will be a guest on there soon, and I think many of you will love that episode.

Deconstructing Yourself

The Alembic

Michael Taft

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2023-09-14
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268 - The Status Game - Will Storr (rebroadcast)

In this episode we welcome back author Will Storr whose new book, The Status Game, feels like required reading for anyone confused, curious, or worried about how politics, cults, conspiracy theories communities, social media, religious fundamentalism, polarization, and extremism are affecting us - everywhere, on and offline, across cultures, and across the world.

What is The Status Game? It?s our primate propensity to perpetually pursue points that will provide a higher level of regard among the people who can (if we provoked such a response) take those points away. And deeper still, it?s the propensity to, once we find a group of people who regularly give us those points, care about what they think more than just about anything else.

In the interview, we discuss our inescapable obsession with reputation and why we are deeply motivated to avoid losing this game through the fear of shame, ostracism, embarrassment, and humiliation while also deeply motivated to win this game by earning what will provide pride, fame, adoration, respect, and status.

Will Storr?s Website: https://willstorr.comHow Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comPatreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart
2023-09-03
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267 - Do Your Own Research - Sedona Chinn

Sedona Chinn, who studies how people make sense of competing scientific, environmental, and health-related claims, joins us to discuss her latest research into doing your own research. In her latest paper she found that the more a person values the concept of doing your own research, the less likely that person is to actually do their own research. In the episode we explore the origin of the concept, what that phrase really means, and the implications of her study on everything from politics to vaccines to conspiratorial thinking.

Sedona Chinn's Website

Sedona Chinn's Twitter

Sedona Chinn's Paper

The Other Paper Mentioned

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2023-08-19
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266 - Project Alpha - Brian Brushwood

We sit down with Brian Brushwood to discuss how he put together this most recent season of The World's Greatest Con, his podcast about incredible scams. This season is all about how two teenagers pulled off an incredible  hoax called Project Alpha, a con job and a publicity stunt, meant to improve scientific rigor and methodology when it comes to studying the possibility of the existence of psychic phenomena.

Links:

Brian's Website

Brian's Twitter

New Yorker Article about Spiritualism

The World's Greatest Con 

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2023-08-06
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265 - Chess Queens - Jennifer Shahade (rebroadcast)

In this episode we sit down with Jennifer Shahade, a two-time U.S. Women?s Chess Champion, author, speaker, and professional poker player whose new book, Chess Queens, is the true story of the greatest female players of all time interwoven with her own experiences as a chess champion.

Jennifer Shahade?s Website

Jennifer Shahade?s Instagram

Jennifer Shahade?s Twitter

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2023-07-23
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264 - Nobody's Fool - Dan Simons and Christopher Chabris

In an era in which we have more information available to us than ever before, when claims of ?fake news? might themselves be, in fact, fake news, Daniel Simons and Christopher Chabris, authors of The Invisible Gorilla, are back to offer us a vital tool to not only inoculate ourselves against getting infected by misinformation but prevent us from spreading it to others, a new book titled Nobody's Fool. 

Dan Simon's Website

Christopher Chabris' Website

Nobody's Fool

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2023-07-11
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263 - The Truth Wins - Tom Stafford (rebroadcast)

Deliberation. Debate. Conversation. Though it can feel like that?s what we are doing online as we trade arguments back and forth, most of the places where we currently gather make it much easier to produce arguments in isolation rather than evaluate them together in groups. The latest research suggests we will need much more of the latter if we hope to create a new, modern, functioning marketplace of ideas. In this episode, psychologist Tom Stafford takes us through his research into how to do just that.

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2023-07-09
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262 - If It Sounds Like a Quack - Matthew Hongoltz-Hetling

At the peak of COVID-19, Matthew Hongoltz-Hetling set out to write a book about the widespread pushback against masks and vaccines as away to discuss the rise of the medical freedom movement in America. But after meeting a series of people within that movement his efforts took a sharp turn into the motivations, tribulations, and personal lives of the people who sell miracle cures and dietary supplements, skirting the law when they can, and heading to jail when they can't. The book is titled, If it Sounds Like a Quack, and it is a deep dive into the marketplace of snake oils and magical procedures sold by people who each claim to have found the one true cure for any and everything that could ever ail you. 

Matt's Website

Matt's Twitter 

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

 

2023-06-25
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261 - Hack Your Bureaucracy - Marina Nitze

Marina Nitze is a professional fixer of broken systems ? a hacker, not of computers and technology, but of the social phenomena that tend to emerge when people get together and form organizations, institutions, services, businesses, and governments. In short, she hacks bureaucracies and wants to teach you how to do the same.

- Hack Your Bureaucracy: https://www.hackyourbureaucracy.com

- Marina Nitze: https://www.marinanitze.com

- How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome

- David McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraney

- YANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog

- Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com

- Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com

Patreon

2023-06-11
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260 - The Science of Stuck - Britt Frank (rebroadcast)

Feeling stuck? Can't build momentum to escape all the loops keeping you from moving forward? Our guest in this episode is professor, author, therapist, and speaker Britt Frank, a trauma specialist who treats people with unique and powerful techniques and approaches which help clients to get out of the feeling of being stuck.

In the show, we nerd out with Britt about how hard it is to be a person, and though this interview is supposed to be about her new book - "The Science of Stuck: Breaking Through Inertia to Find your Path Forward" ? at least of half of this interview turned out to be was wide-ranging conversation chasing down many nested tangents about everything from procrastination to somatic markers to trauma to the multitudes of the self and more.
Bringing together research-backed solutions that range from shadow work to reparenting, embodied healing, and other clinical practices, along with empowering personal stories, this book is a hands-on road map for moving forward with purpose, confidence, and the freedom to become who you?re truly meant to be.

Britt Frank?s Practice

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

The Science of Stuck Website

Britt Frank's Instagram

2023-05-28
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259 - Think Again - Adam Grant (rebroadcast)

How to manage procrastination according to Margaret Atwood, how to work around your first-instinct fallacy, the upsides of imposter syndrome, the best way to avoid falling prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect, how to avoid thinking like a preacher, prosecutor, or politician so you can think like a scientist instead ? and that?s just the beginning of the conversation in this episode with psychologist, podcast host, and author Adam Grant.

In the show, we discuss both his new book ? Think Again: The Power of Knowing What you Don?t Know ? and his TED Original Podcast, WorkLife, in which he interviewed Margaret Atwood, the author of The Handmaid?s Tale, to learn how she deals with the constant allure of social media and streaming videos in a future where giving in to procrastination is easier than it has ever been. 

In the show, you?ll hear portions of that interview followed by a lengthy interview with Grant about his new book in this all-over-the-place, extensive exploration of how to rethink your own thinking.

Previous Episodes

Adam Grant?s Website

Adam Grant on Twitter

Think Again

How Minds Change

David McRaney?s Twitter

YANSS Twitter

Show Notes

Newsletter

Patreon

2023-05-13
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258 - Under Alien Skies - Phil Plait

Astronomer Phil Plait joins us to discuss his new book, Under Alien Skies, in which he describes what it would be like (through human eyes and real physical experiences) to actually travel to Saturn, Mars, asteroids, and distant stars. Also, we discuss the recent surge in UFO sighting as well as his famous talk at The Amazing Meeting more than a decade ago in which he asked all science communicators and critical thinkers to approach those who believe in pseudoscience with empathy and respect instead of scorn and vitriol. And, we run through the history of James Randi's popularization of the big-S Skeptic movement.


- Phil Plait?s Substack: https://badastronomy.substack.com/

- How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome

- David McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraney

- YANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog

- Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com

- Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com

2023-05-01
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257 - What Do You Mean? - Celeste Kidd

Is a hotdog a sandwich?

Well, that depends on your definition of a sandwich (and a hotdog), and according to the most recent research in cognitive science, the odds that your concept of a sandwich is the same as another person's concept are shockingly low.

In this episode we explore how understanding why that question became a world-spanning argument in the mid 2010s helps us understand some of the world-spanning arguments vexing us today. 

Our guest is psychologist Celeste Kidd who studies how we acquire and conceptualize information, form beliefs around those concepts, and, in general, make sense of the torrent of information blasting our brains each and every second. Her most recent paper examines how conceptual misalignment can lead to semantic disagreements, which can lead us to talk past each other (and get into arguments about things like whether hotdogs are sandwiches).

? Celeste Kidd's Website: https://www.kiddlab.com

? Celeste Kidd's Twitter: https://twitter.com/celestekidd

? How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome

? David McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraney

? YANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog

? Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com

? Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com

? Latent Diversity in Human Concepts: https://tinyurl.com/25544m3v

2023-04-17
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256 - The Persuaders - Anand Giridharadas

This is the third episode in a three-part series about how to have difficult conversations with people who see the world differently, how to have better debates about contentious issues, and how to ethically and scientifically persuade one another about things that matter ? in short, this is a three-part series about How Minds Change (which is also the title of my new book).

There seems to be a movement afoot, a new wave of nonfiction about how to reduce all this argumentative madness and epistemic chaos. I want to boost everyone?s signal on this issue, so I thought it would be nice to collaborate instead of compete, since that?s part of what we are all proselytizing with these books.

So this episode?s guest is Anand Giridharadas, the author of The Persuaders ? a book about activists, politicians, educators, and everyday citizens who are on the ground working to change minds, bridge divisions, and fight for democracy.

-   How Minds Change

-   David McRaney?s Twitter

-   YANSS Twitter

-   Show Notes

-   Newsletter

Anand's TwitterThe Persuaders
2023-04-02
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255 - Good Arguments - Bo Seo

This is the second episode in a three-part series about how to have difficult conversations with people who see the world differently, how to have better debates about contentious issues, and how to ethically and scientifically persuade one another about things that matter ? in short, this is a three-part series about How Minds Change (which is also the title of my new book).

There seems to be a movement afoot, a new wave of nonfiction about how to reduce all this argumentative madness and epistemic chaos. I want to boost everyone's signal on this issue, so I thought it would be nice to collaborate instead of compete, since that's part of what we are all proselytizing with these books.

So this episode?s guest is Bo Seo, the author of Good Arguments ? a book about how he became a world debate champion in which he not only teaches us how to apply what he has learned to everyday life but imagines communities built around, not despite, constant arguing and disagreement.

Seo says that a political life without constant disagreement would be impoverished. As he puts it, quote, "Nations are, at their best, evolving arguments. As he writes, ?In a liberal democracy, good arguments are not what societies should do but also what they should be.? See believes that on well curated, well moderated platforms, ones that value good faith interactions, arguing and disagreement would flip from being catalysts for polarization to the very engine of depolarization and change. In the interview, he not only tells us how to defend ourselves against bad arguments, but explains how in his mind a great democracy isn?t a place where everyone agrees and sees eye-to-eye, but one where we work to have better quality disagreements.

- Bo Seo?s Website: www.helloboseo.com

- How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome

- David McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraney

- YANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog

- Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com

- Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com

2023-03-19
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254 - I Never Thought of It That Way - Mónica Guzmán

This is the first episode in a three-part series about how to have difficult conversations with people who see the world differently, how to have better debates about contentious issues, and how to ethically and scientifically persuade one another about things that matter ? in short, this is a three-part series about How Minds Change (which is also the title of my new book).

There seems to be a movement afoot, a new wave of nonfiction about how to reduce all this argumentative madness and epistemic chaos. I want to boost everyone's signal on this issue, so I thought it would be nice to collaborate instead of compete, since that's part of what we are all proselytizing with these books.

So this episode?s guest is Mónica Guzmán, the author of I Never Thought of It That Way ? a book with very practical advice on how to have productive conversations in a polarized political environment via authentic curiosity about where people?s opinions, attitudes, and values come from. In short, it?s about how to reduce polarization and learn from those with whom we disagree by establishing the sort of dynamic in which they will eagerly learn from us as well.

- How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome

- Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com

- Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com

- David McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraney

- YANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog

- Mónica Guzmán?s Website: https://www.moniguzman.com

- Mónica Guzmán?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/moniguzman

- I Never Thought of it That Way: https://www.moniguzman.com/book

- Braver Angels: https://braverangels.org

- My Article on Intellectual Humility: https://bigthink.com/the-well/change-your-mind-intellectual-humility/

2023-03-05
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253 - The World's Greatest Con - Brian Brushwood (rebroadcast)

In this episode, we sit down with famed stage magician and infamous instructor of the school of scams, Brian Brushwood, whose new podcast explores the world's greatest con artists and con jobs from World War II to modern game shows.

We cover everything in this episode from why you can't con an honest person to the power of shame and fame to folk psychology to how the British conned Hitler using one of the oldest tricks in the book to how one man broke the code for Press Your Luck earning him the most money ever awarded in a single day on any program in the history of game shows.

The World's Greatest Con: https://worldsgreatestcon.fireside.fm/Brian Brushwood's Twitter: https://twitter.com/shwoodBrain's Website: http://shwood.comHow Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog
2023-02-19
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252 - Procrastination - Britt Frank

It?s February. It?s that time of year when we start to wonder if we might not follow through with our New Year?s resolutions. It?s that time of the year when procrastination becomes a centerpiece of our psychological concerns.

Our guest in this episode is professor, author, therapist, and speaker Britt Frank, a trauma specialist who treats people with a unique and powerful set of techniques and approaches which, taken together, helps clients to get out of the feeling of being STUCK. 

Author of The Science of Stuck, she says, ?Procrastination is not a character flaw. Nor is it a sign of weakness. Nor is it a sign of laziness.? Procrastination is an indicator that internal consent has not been given. When our inner parts are distressed, afraid, sad, angry, grief-stricken or anxious, it is important to listen to their concerns, not to shame them or coerce them into action.??

In the show you?ll learn about the physiological origins of procrastination ? the inner brake pedal and gas pedal ? and what to do to escape the two different versions of this universal challenge to getting unstuck and getting things done.

Britt Frank: https://www.scienceofstuck.com

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2023-02-05
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251 - Come up for Air - Nick Sonnenberg

Nick Sonnenberg doesn?t believe there just aren?t enough hours in the day to get everything done. That?s because when his business was in crisis mode, he developed a framework for eliminating inefficiencies and preventing the sort of metawork ? working on working ? that leads to scavenger hunts and meetings that could be emails, and for that matter, email runarounds that get everyone ever farther from inbox zero. He turned that framework into a consultancy business, and put it all together in a new book for people who feel underwater titled Come up For Air.

Come Up For Air: https://comeupforair.comNick?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/nick_sonnenbergHow Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblogShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com
2023-01-22
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250 - Awe - Dacher Keltner

In this episode we sit down with psychologist Dacher Keltner, one of the world?s leading experts on the science of emotion, the man Pixar hired to help them write Inside Out. In his new book ? Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life ? he outlines his years of work in this field, the health benefits of awe, the evolutionary origins and likely functions, and how to better pursue more awe and wonder in your own life.

Dacher Kelter: https://psychology.berkeley.edu/people/dacher-keltnerGreater Good: https://twitter.com/GreaterGoodSCHow Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblog
2023-01-08
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249 - The Power of Surprise (rebroadcast)

In this episode, Micheal Rousell, author of The Power of Surprise, explains the science of surprise at the level of neurons and brain structures, and then talk about how surprises often lead to the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves, the different personal narratives that guide our behaviors and motivations and goals, and, perhaps most importantly, our willingness to be surprised again so that we can change and grow.

In the show, you will how we can use the current understanding of how surprise leads to learning, and how learning depends on interpretation, to improve our lives, and the lives of others

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblogShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com
2022-12-24
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248 - Visual Thinking - Temple Grandin

Temple Grandin was born in 1947 at a time when words like neurodivergent and neurotypical had yet to enter the lexicon, at a time when autism was not well understood, and since she didn?t develop speech until much later than most children she might have led a much different life if it hadn?t been for people around her who worked very hard to open up a space for her to thrive and explore her talents and abilities. In this episode we discuss all that as well as her latest book, Visual Thinking, all about three distinct ways that human brains create human minds to make sense of the world outside of their skulls. 

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblogShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com

 

 

2022-12-11
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247 - Narcissism (rebroadcast)

In this episode we explore what narcissism is (and what is most-definitely is not). 

There is a form of narcissism which has been, up until now, confused with psychopathy. But a new paper, the result of years of experiments, suggests narcissists are not psychopaths, and psychopaths are not narcissists.

In the psychological literature, narcissism comes in two varieties. Grandiose narcissists tend to really, truly love themselves and heavily manipulate their social environment for personal gain. Vulnerable narcissists don?t love themselves, not their true selves. Vulnerable narcissists love their image, and they are highly aware of the fact that it is an image and work very hard to prevent anyone else realizing that. According to the research explored in this episode, there is no such thing as a grandiose narcissist ? that?s just another way to describe a psychopath.

Vulnerable narcissists like Don Draper in Mad Men cope with their insecurity by donning a mask, and then spend most of their lives protecting that mask out of a fear of what will happen if people ever see what it hides.

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comNarcissism through the lens of performative self-elevation
2022-11-27
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246 - Ideaflow - Jeremy Utley

In this episode we sit down with Jeremy Utley of the Stanford d.school to discuss his new book, Ideaflow, which is all about how to create a practice for producing and trading ideas in massive quantities ? whether in an organization or as an individual entrepreneur or content-creator ? along with a system for sorting the garbage from the gold. We discuss, among many other things, why it is important to focus on input more than output, how to stop obsessing over quality while generating quantity, and peanut butter pumps.

Jeremy Utley: https://www.jeremyutley.designIdeaflow: https://www.ideaflow.designStanford d.school: https://dschool.stanford.eduHow Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comJeremy Utley?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jeremyutleyDavid McRaney?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidmcraneyYANSS Twitter: https://twitter.com/notsmartblogBerkeley Alembic Event: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/how-minds-change-with-david-mcraney-tickets-443811591417
2022-11-13
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245 - The Conspiracy Theorist Who Changed His Mind - Tim Harford

Here?s a special bonus episode featuring my recent conversation with Tim Harford, author, economic journalist, and host of the Cautionary Tales podcast. We discussed a story from my new book, How Minds Change, about a conspiracy theorist who was certain 9/11 was an inside job until he actually visited Ground Zero to meet architects, engineers and the relatives of the dead. Tim and I reflect on what he can teach us about those who hold strong beliefs even in the face of damning, contrary evidence and why persuasion, especially if attempted poorly, isn't always the right answer. 

? Hear more from Cautionary Tales at https://podcasts.pushkin.fm/ctsmart

? How Minds Change: https://www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome

 

2022-10-28
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244 - Quit - Annie Duke

I recently sat down for a live event and Q&A with the great Annie Duke to discuss her new book, Quit: The power of knowing when to walk away. This episode is the audio from that event. Quit is all about how to develop a very particular skill: how to train your brain to make it easier to know which goals and plans are worth sticking to and which are not. 

- Toronto Live Event: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/how-minds-change-a-conversation-lab-with-david-mcraney-misha-glouberman-tickets-410047431907

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- Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com

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- Annie Duke's Twitter: https://twitter.com/AnnieDuke 

 

2022-10-16
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243 - Psychological Tweetathon with Jay Van Bavel

In this episode we sit down with NYU psychologist Jay Van Bavel who is very good at Twitter. His feed is always overflowing with the absolute latest and greatest research from psychology with links to papers as they come out ? on many of the topics we so often explore on this podcast ? and in this episode we discuss ten of those tweets and the research he?s shared.

Toronto Live Event: https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/how-minds-change-a-conversation-lab-with-david-mcraney-misha-glouberman-tickets-410047431907How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comJay Van Bavel?s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jayvanbavel
2022-10-03
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242 - Survival of the Richest - Douglas Rushkoff

In this episode we sit down with Douglas Rushkoff, a media scholar, journalist, and professor of digital economics who has a new fire in his belly when it comes to the world of billionaire preppers, which comes across in his new book Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires ? inspired by his invitation to consult a group of the world?s richest people on how to spend their money now to survive an apocalypse they fear is coming within their lifetimes.

Live Event at Caveat: https://caveat.nyc/event/how-minds-change-9-20-2022How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comDouglas Rushkoff's Website: https://rushkoff.com
2022-09-18
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241 - The Status Game - Will Storr

In this episode we welcome back author Will Storr whose new book, The Status Game, feels like required reading for anyone confused, curious, or worried about how politics, cults, conspiracy theories communities, social media, religious fundamentalism, polarization, and extremism are affecting us - everywhere, on and offline, across cultures, and across the world.

What is The Status Game? It?s our primate propensity to perpetually pursue points that will provide a higher level of regard among the people who can (if we provoked such a response) take those points away. And deeper still, it?s the propensity to, once we find a group of people who regularly give us those points, care about what they think more than just about anything else.

In the interview, we discuss our inescapable obsession with reputation and why we are deeply motivated to avoid losing this game through the fear of shame, ostracism, embarrassment, and humiliation while also deeply motivated to win this game by earning what will provide pride, fame, adoration, respect, and status.

Live Event at Caveat: https://caveat.nyc/event/how-minds-change-9-20-2022How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehomeShow Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.comNewsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.comWill Storr?s Website: https://willstorr.comPatreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart
2022-09-04
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240 - QAnon and Conspiracy Narratives (rebroadcast)

When we talk about conspiracy theories we tend to focus on what people believe instead of why, and, more importantly, why they believe those things and not other things. In this episode, we sit down with two psychologists working to change that, and in addition, change the term itself from conspiracy theory to conspiracy narrative, which more accurately describes what makes any one conspiracy appealing enough to form a community around it and in rare cases result in collective action.

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com  Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com

Patreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart

2022-08-22
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239 - You're Invited - Jon Levy

Our guest in this episode is the behavioral scientist Jon Levy who wrote a book titled You?re Invited, the Art and Science of Cultivating influence. The book details how Jon was able to convince groups of Nobel Laureates, Olympians, celebrities, Fortune 500 executives, and even a princess to not only give him advice, but cook him dinner, wash his dishes, sweep his floors, and then thank him for the experience. 

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome Contest: https://sites.prh.com/hmc-giveaway  Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com  Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com Jon Levy's Website: https://www.jonlevytlb.com 

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2022-08-07
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238 - Chess Queens - Jennifer Shahade

In this episode we sit down with Jennifer Shahade, a two-time U.S. Women?s Chess Champion, author, speaker, and professional poker player whose new book, Chess Queens, is the true story of the greatest female players of all time interwoven with her own experiences as a chess champion.

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome Contest: https://sites.prh.com/hmc-giveaway  Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com  Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com Jennifer Shahade?s Website: https://jennifershahade.com 

Patreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart

2022-07-25
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237 - Reactance - Michele Belot

New research suggests people on opposite sides of wedge issues want to listen to each other. We are each eager to hear differing opinions and understand opposing views, and when we do it can change our minds (at least a little), but only when we aren't triggered by the psychological phenomenon of reactance - one of several ideas we explore in this episode.

How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome Newsletter: https://davidmcraney.substack.com/subscribe Show Notes: www.youarenotsosmart.com  Michèle Belot on Twitter: http://twitter.com/belotmichele

Patreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart

2022-07-11
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236 - How Minds Change

In this episode I read an excerpt from my new book How Minds Change, a portion concerning how to change minds about abortion rights, and Chris Clearfield interviews me about that very same book - which is out now and available everywhere.

Link to learn more about How Minds Change: www.davidmcraney.com/howmindschangehome  Link to learn more about Deep Canvassing: www.newconvo.org  Link to my new newsletter: davidmcraney.substack.com/subscribe Link to Chris Clearfield?s handout: www.chrisclearfield.com/change   

Patreon: http://patreon.com/youarenotsosmart

2022-06-27
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